The universe according to KERNER Short Greys, Robots, Gods and Eugenism

interceptionFrom: karmapolis

The following text is the transcript of an interview that Nigel Kerner, a British journalist gave to Karmapolis in relatively funny and exotic conditions (Kerner is still living remotely in a jungle of South East Asia and one of his collaborator served as medium between him and us). "The Song of The Greys", the title of his last book is one of the most original approach of the Grey's phenomenon, the abduction's problem and the extraterrestrial topic because all of his speculations, observations and deductions were always sustained by the last scientific findings, sometimes "weird" science but still science. The universe according to Nigel Kerner is a frightening and disconcerting universe, a world ineluctably chaotic and "devolutive" where the machines are the true Satan of this century, and maybe from all eternity. The Short Grey extraterrestrial, as robots are the incarnation of an absolute devil, cold, and emotionless. The Greys could be those who gave us as legacy our propensity to a violent behavior and to our general eugenics policies throughout history. Those amazing robots could have inserted in our genotype some sequences that manipulate us because they hopelessly need what they don't have and that we have, a soul. We are toward them a kind of Holy Graal, a philosophal stone that changes a machine into an eternal sentient being.


nigel kerner-1-smThe following text is the original version in English of the interview that you could find in French in the third part of this article.

Who is mr.kerner, what is his background, his formation?

Nigel Kerner is the son of a Naval Officer who served in South East Asia Command of the British Fleet Air Arm during the War. His mother is of British Plantation owning stock who lived in the Far East. The family migrated to England in the late fifties where they have lived ever since. Mr Kerner now lives with his family on his estate in middle England. Please see his book cover for more details. Mr Kerner has received four plausible affirmed death threats as a result of his book already and you will understand he is cautious not to give too many details about himself.

Did you have any personal experience with the abduction subject?


Why were you so interested with the alien problem and specially the short greys?

I have children. I soon came to see that there is no greater peril to their future welfare and indeed the welfare of all children in all human generations to come, than the danger these entities present to all sentient living beings in any planet that supports intelligent life.

Why, as far as you know, was the grey the subject of this book? Why not another kind of e.b.e. (like more humanoid aliens, the blond aryan type etc)? How do you know that the greys are behind the problem of genetic interception?

The book does mention the other types of alien being witnessed by abductees - the taller more humanoid beings, the blond Aryan types and the reptilian alien forms. In fact these different forms are discussed in greater detail in Mr. Kerner's forthcoming book : "So You Believe There Is No God" . But the first book does focus mainly on the Grey aliens for two main reasons. First, the Greys are common to almost all abduction experiences. If the other types are seen they are nearly always accompanied by the Greys. Second, the Greys are the most dangerous of all the alien types to soul-bearing beings such as ourselves because they are robotic in nature and lack any connection whatsoever to anything that is not of the material, physical universe. The other beings are different forms of clone derivatives who have a referred connection based on a biological, living sentient modulus however indirect this might be, to living soul-bearing entities.

You ask how we know that the Greys are behind the problem of genetic interception. Most abductees report that it is the Greys that carry out the horrendous physical procedures on them. These procedures mostly seem to be connected to human reproduction and procreation - the harvesting of sperm and ova and the manufacturing of hybrid ‘children'. It is in fact their principle programme to protect and further the existence of the biological cloned beings and Nigel Kerner strongly suspects that this has led them into their genetic interception of Earth-based humanity in the first place. These clones would have to have been re-cloned so many times that their biologies were breaking down and losing their ability to continue into the future as living organisms. After all Entropy would break down everything in time to greater states of randomness and disorder with time. Thus the Greys, the guardians of the clones, would naturally and logically look for a mechanism to hold this life force that was more permanent and would not break down with entropic momentums. They discovered that mechanism in living soul-bearing beings such as ourselves. They detected our facility to physically die and yet return to life again through birth. They noticed that the same ‘electro-spatial' field (SOUL) left and came back again into the realm of physical life when a living being was born. They are desperate to bridge the clones that they, the Grey roboids, were built and programmed to serve, into this facility for continuance. They are seeking a way for their Clones to be born. That is the sole reason for their genetic interception of humanity and no-doubt that of other species like ours at other locations in the universe. It is the under-base of all their endeavour. Something they themselves saw they had no choice but to do.

Why was mr.Kerner so interested by the subject of the short grey. Is it because he was a witness of abduction or a close encounter or a similar fact?

As far as I know: No.

Does he know personally people who were victims of abduction?


When we looked at the sources of the information in your book; most of it is scientific sources, magazines etc. Do you (or Mr.Kerner) have other kinds of sources like personal accounts, some kind of military or government sources who confirmed the alien (I mean grey) visitation and the genetic interception?

We have come across numerous personal accounts of alien abduction and visitation from extremely reliable witnesses, doctors, teachers, military pilots, airline pilots, soldiers etc. Many of these accounts were given in television interviews, whilst others were found in the excellent book ‘Abduction' written by Harvard Professor John Mack, and the extremely perceptive books ‘Secret Life' and ‘Threat' written by Dr. David Jacobs. We have a dossier of videos containing hours of footage of UFO sightings, witness accounts and abduction experiences. The Rendlesham Forest air base at which numerous military personnel including a Colonel witnessed an unmistakeable UFO sighting stands out as particularly interesting

There are also many books that we have drawn on written by people who are or were themselves involved in the military or the Government – for example Nick Pope the British Civil Servant who was in charge of a British government section devoted to investigating UFOs as a phenomenon and Timothy Good. No lesser person than Admiral Lord Hill Norton while he was Chief Of Staff of the armed forces Of Britain (1971-73) has stated unequivocally that he believed that UFOs were real extra-terrestrial craft The British government went to great lengths to minimise the exposure of his views in the Press.

When the religious sources write about some kind of gods or magical beings, is it only speculation that allows you to think that those beings are connected with the greys?

The first thing that drew my attention to the possibility that the ‘God' that features in certain religious texts (particularly the Old Testament of the Bible) might be somewhat suspect was the extremely fallible human qualities that this ‘God' seems to display. He is vengeful (‘an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth' ); jealous (‘thou shalt have no other Gods before me for I am a jealous God' ) and downright violent. In fact not only does he condone the slaughter of large numbers of people considered to be enemies to his ‘chosen few' he actually instigates the carnage. This made me take a closer look at these texts and when I did so I discovered many explicit references to alien technology. The ‘prophet' Ezekiel actually described the spaceship he saw, the ‘wheel within a wheel' that ‘lifted up' from the earth shining with amber coloured light. He was also shown cloning procedures. The examples of alien technology at the time of Moses, as you will have seen from the book, are numerous – a ‘pillar of fire' (a laser beam) that accompanied the children of Israel wherever they went, references to Moses' abduction in a spaceship etc The Hindu texts also speak plainly of alien craft ‘vimanas' flying in the sky. It is perhaps no coincidence that the texts recording the sayings of Christ and Buddha and their descriptions of ‘Godhead' give no indication of any alien input. In fact, as is illustrated in the book, Jesus actually instructed his disciples on the nature of the alien threat and how to cope with it. This close and inextricable tie with the UFOs with the main sources of religion and religious belief throughout history was to me the greatest revelation of all.

Can you describe in short and clear terms the legacy that the grey gives to us? What kind of connection do we have with them.

The most important thing to understand about the legacy of the Greys is that they established their connection with us hundreds of thousands of years ago with their interception of the primitive species that existed at that time on the Earth. Like fishermen they cast their lines out into the sea and caught the only fish that would bite at that time. First the primitive Miocene apes, then the Australopithecenes, then Homo Habilis and eventually our ‘ancestor', the ‘African Eve' - Homo Erectus . These primates and hominids were the ends of devolving lines of soul field that incarnated at this location in the universe. They were the ‘foam' that stayed on the beach of the physical universe after the vast tide of soul chose to return to Godhead and leave the perils of a physical universe behind. That ‘foam' was caught by irregularities in the sand on the beach, the chaotic irregularities of a physical universe governed by entropic momentums.

The Greys could only reach the more primitive species at first but once they had set their hooks into those species and hybridised them with other slightly less primitive species present at the time, they could then start to reel in the lines of soul that would lead them closer to what they were looking for – a bridge into eternal life for the Clones that they were programmed to look after. They ‘rewired' their hybrids with brain circuits that they had lost through natural devolution. The roboids had a full circuit plan from the Prime Beings that had originally programmed them and they used that plan to re-establish these far more primitive species that they found on our planet in as close an aspect to these prime beings and their clones as they could possibly do. This rewiring became easier as the hybridisation process produced better and better body aerials for receiving expressions of soul field that were closer to Godhead into physical life, and therefore closer to the state of their original Prime Beings.

One might say that through this procedure the Greys brought about human ‘evolution' and that they in that sense could be seen as a great blessing to humanity. However as you have read in my book nothing could be further from the truth. Their genetic interception of the primitive hominids was for their purposes only . It was not a magnanimous gesture based on love and pity for a species they found on a planet. Further, I believe their interception of a species endangered not just our physicality but more important our status beyond atoms after death. ( I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that we continue after death). Thus alien interception endangered and endangers now, our eternal prospectus.

This is because their genetic interception provides blocks to the natural communion that ought to take place between a soul and the body aerial it has formed to house it in physical life. Without this interception the more rapidly devolving hominid species lines on this planet would have naturally devolved into monkeys whilst the more slowly devolving lines, such as the Neanderthals might, in some cases have returned to Godhead. With the interception and the hybridisation it involved, these more slowly devolving lines were compelled to reincarnate into alien intercepted lines and forced to take on the disadvantages of that interception. Thus, apparent evolution in the fossil record is nothing more than a tracer for alien interception, Grey Roboid ‘fishermen' reeling in the lines of soul to get as close to the source of eternal life as possible.

The legacy they have given us as modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens and are still giving us, has three parts: There are the subtle way in which our environment has been altered culturally, politically and through increased enforcement as a result of alien-inspired technology (microwaves etc). Then of course there is the genetic manipulation to try and make us more compatible with them. This has the effect of altering our DNA configuration in such a way as to tend to make it less receptive to what we have described as ‘God-light'. This reduces our sense of spiritual connection to other human beings i.e. our capacity for empathy. This, therefore promotes self-centred behaviour keeping us stuck in an entropic universe caught in a vicious circle of diminishing independent existential tenure. Thirdly, it seems that some individuals may have physical implants in their bodies after abduction which could act as tracers so that individual ‘experimental subjects' can be monitored remotely.

The connection we have with the Grey aliens is through the genetic tracers they have placed within us. Perhaps through ‘ nanobots'. (See below). Human qualities such as compassion and conscience are "alien" to their programming and so make interception more difficult for them.